and he said, well, if you have powers, john. he reached over and put his hand brando's leg and he said it was eerie. there was almost a physical charge between the two of them and brando said, you know what? i do feel better. so who is to say. in brando's mind, maybe he was making travolta feel okay about himself or maybe there was some sort of effect. but essentially it's a mystical idea, that you can lay on hands and you can make someone feel better. >> the church cites huge membership. millions and millions of people. other sources say that the number is actually much smaller in the tens of thousands. 25,000, 35,000, 45,000. is membership in decline? >> yes. it's hemorrhaging members. >> why? >> well, part of it i think is people becoming aware of what's going on inside of the church. moreover, the secret doctrines of the church it kept secret for years are now all over the internet. they are ridiculed on "south park." everyone kind of knows what the secrets are inside scientology and you don't have to pay a half million doll